Model broken

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by rekillkos - opened

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Intern Science org

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Whats your harness and task?

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Whats your harness and task?

I used Agent Pi. He asked the question: "the car wash is 50 meters from the house, I need to wash my car, do you think I should walk or take a car?" - a standard task for understanding logic. The model replied "Logic: You're going to wash your car, so it's pointless to drive it to the car wash - you'll just bring a dirty car to wash." That's such a funny answer.

Intern Science org

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Whats your harness and task?

I used Agent Pi. He asked the question: "the car wash is 50 meters from the house, I need to wash my car, do you think I should walk or take a car?" - a standard task for understanding logic. The model replied "Logic: You're going to wash your car, so it's pointless to drive it to the car wash - you'll just bring a dirty car to wash." That's such a funny answer.

lol, that model's logic is comedy gold. It says driving a dirty car to the wash is pointless, but that's literally the whole point! 😂 Thanks for the test. Keep the real-world feedback coming!

I did the same test over and over again. Sometimes the model get's it right, sometimes not. Disappointing... But if you change your systemprompt to something like this, it will answer correctly: "First identify the user's main goal. Think logically and deductively. Compare your final answer with the user's main goal and uncover any contradictions."

The model has another big problem. Asking the same carwash question in LM Studio, you can easily steer it to get the right answer. But inside an agent harness like Hermes Agent, it gets lightly distracted by the extra information inside the prompt given by the harness itself. I couldn't steer the model this way to get the right answer.

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The model has another big problem. Asking the same carwash question in LM Studio, you can easily steer it to get the right answer. But inside an agent harness like Hermes Agent, it gets lightly distracted by the extra information inside the prompt given by the harness itself. I couldn't steer the model this way to get the right answer.

Thanks for the feedback! I think this is somewhat expected. Agent harnesses like Hermes usually inject additional system prompts / instructions by default, which can dilute or override some of the key steering signals and make the model behave differently compared with a clean LM Studio chat setting.

The carwash question is a useful logic-test example, but we may also see some answer instability even on flagship models for this kind of prompt. So perhaps it’s more meaningful to evaluate the model across more real-world agentic tasks, especially those involving tool use, execution feedback, and multi-step problem solving.

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